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SPOILERS for Supernatural 8x02....



1) the opening acting was atrocious. That kind of camp is way overdone in these past few seasons. They need to tone it down.

2) Life lesson: Never ask if there's anything more you can do for a creepy man holding a weird bone.

3) The phrase "short and curlies" needs to be stricken from the writers' room wall. That's the third time they've used it. It was moderately acceptable when Gabriel said it, but coming from Dean or Sam's mouth it just makes me want to poo.

4) Headcanon: When Kevin talked about wanting to make sure his mom was ok, Dean was totally OMG THAT'S HOW I FELT ABOUT CAS and that's why he relented.

5) Thought it was tasteless when Sam said "Tiger Mom." OK that's an actual asian person in your car and you're talking about his mother, unless Kevin told them stories about how his mom is actually known as a Tiger Mom, I'm NOT okay with this. Episode title notwithstanding.

6) Kevin was a LOT more sympathetic in this episode. The sheepishness and sincerity was back; he wasn't as cocky as he was last episode. I'm absolutely OK with this Kevin. Last episode's Kevin, not so much.

7) And Mom was awesome and Momlike, but EVERYTHING SHE SAID AND DID WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF SHE WAS JODY MILLS. cries all over own dcbb.

8) Also, Dean was totally milfing all over Mommy Tran. My husband was crying laughing at the tattoo scene.

9) OK, it was WAAAAAAAAAAAY too convenient that Sam was all "Oh, I just said the spell backward." I do not even BEGIN to believe you, sir. You have been UP TO SOME SHIT in the interim. Out of the life, my ASS.

10) "Thank you, Mr. Peanut." great line. My own comment was "It's Willy Wonka and the Douchebag Factory."

11) Did anyone else see Patrick Stewart as Gandhi in the auction scene?

12) The moose jokes are getting laid on a little thick, as clever as the vamoose and the squirrel lines were. See #1. The intentional humor is a little bit overdone.

13) So who here wanted to absolutely die of happiness when "alfie" showed up? I was so happy to see angels about, still sort of misguided and heartless but at least trying to do the right thing by the human race. Quite apart from the implications for how the show was going to treat Castiel -- "Too much heart" indeed. :)

14) Speaking of Castiel--

*flails, screams, dies, hugs whole world, and is generally incoherent.*

WE GOT OUR MOTHERFUCKING HUGS. AND "I NEED YOU." AND "I PRAYED TO YOU." AND "I'M NOT LEAVING HERE WITHOUT YOU."

OK, so I wrote this meta on the body language in that scene on Tumblr, and it got fairly good reception. Going to paste it here. this was written during a rewatch during which I pretty much just paused it every two seconds and typed like a crazy person:

~

rewatching The Scene now. Starting a bit after the hug, because what can you say about the hug? Really?

Benny nods when Dean lights into Cas about running away. Benny WANTS them to fight. i don’t doubt it one bit.

The way Cas pauses before he says “…to keep them away from you.” He’s shy about his feelings, doesn’t want to show his weakness in front of the vampire, but he can’t lie to Dean. And Dean’s immediately swayed by it… and Benny looks slightly put out.

And when Benny says let’s go, and Dean says “hold on,” he never takes his eyes from Cas… he can’t look away… his concern is so fucking apparent and it’s heart breaking

And he says “WE’RE geting out of here. WE’RE going home.” It never even occurs to him to exclude Cas. Hell, I’m pretty sure even benny wasn’t in that “We.” He didn’t say “Benny found a way out, come with us.” He didn’t say “I found a way out.” He says “WE’RE getting out of here.”

Always looking at Cas. The whole time. He means “YOU AND ME.” and not “we FOUND a way out,” “WE’RE GETTING OUT.” positive. WE WILL GET HOME. trying to give Cas some hope.

“I can’t.”

“You can. Benny, tell ‘im.” Benny’s a tool. To help him get HIM AND CAS home.

And he SPREADS HIS ARMS. That’s such an open gesture. “buddy. I need you.” It’s an inclusive gesture. This whole time, he’s thinking in terms of him and Cas.

“I need you.”

*whirls on that for a long long time*

Talking about letting the leviathans take a shot at them “We can do it again” with that cocky smile, Dean’s remember how he and cas double-teamed Dick Roman. He wants Cas in the fight. With him. The camaraderie there. The memories of fighting with him.

When Cas demurs, Dean looks - not to Benny - but to the horizon, “let me bottom line it for you. I’m not leaving without you.” Doesn’t meet Cas’s eyes again until the last moment. He’s not taking argument on this. It’s decided. He’s positive.

And there’s such quiet patience and such BELIEF in his face when he says “Understand?”

Yeah, we understand, Dean.

And there’s no doubt in my mind that was your hand Cas was trying so hard to hold onto in the end, your face he was looking at, and that you were looking right at him until the very last moment when you finally knew all was lost.

Yeah. You’re getting him back.

~

Ahem. Back to your regularly scheduled meta.

15) OK, I am pretty sure the angels have their own agenda. I expect [CASTING SPOILERS] will tell us a bit about that. Am VERY excited for that storyline. I love the angels because of that whole morally gray authority figure trope. It really does it for me.

16) So we've finally seen Crowley's red eyes. He is in fact a demon. He is just a Red Velvet demon, as opposed to all those Devil's Food demons.

17) SO ALL THE AVENGERS FUSIONS ARE CANON, IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. I am now sure that Sam is not short for Samuel, it's short for Samson. Fabulous hair and incredible strength. Ahem. Yes.

18) Is Sam's ability to wield the hammer another part of the what's-Sam-hiding mystery, though? I don't think they really went into the who can-and-can't-wield it in this show, though, did they? That's just borrowed Avengers canon. I'm overthinking.

19) I really love how Crowley speaketh the trutheth and makes the boys wiggle. That to me is his true value in this show. He sees their weaknesses better than anyone since Azazel.

20) DOES ANYONE DOUBT THAT DEAN TRIED TO PULL CAS OUT WITH HIM NOW? Either that was Dean, and he hung on until the last minute, or that was Benny, and BENNY, not Cas, let go. In which case I think Dean will be pissed. We'll see what happened. I see Benny as a force for discord here, in case my earlier meta didn't make it clear. He wants to drive wedges between Dean and Cas. One wonders why, and what he knows, or if he's just acting in self-preservation. If so, why try to poison what Dean thought of Cas in those first few minutes they met? No. Not trusting Ben-ben. And that makes me like him better. I'm more likely to enjoy a new enemy than a new friend.

21) GLITTER AND FUCKING SPARKLES EVERYWHERE.

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Date: 2012-10-11 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] picklepegg.livejournal.com
I do so love you Tippy ♥

*nods at a whole lot of this*

1)Yes, it was awkward, so very. This leads into 2) - I'm just glad there weren't any bone jokes. *sigh*

3)I sometimes feel like the writers have notes full of terms/insults/catchphrases that have previously been used and pick at random.

4)Meep :') accepted!

5)Yes, total agreement.

6)I do agree that this Kevin was better/easier to develop an investment in, especially all his scenes with his mother. I still don't feel the emotional impact of his girlfriends death - other than it being a loss to push him into hunting. I just don't think we knew her, to feel it.

7)She is awesome and I wish we could keep her if we can't have Jody! But once again, awesome female character has been incapacitated...will we see her be kickass again? :( (Psst, your DCBB is open on a tab, ready to read...will it be on AO3 or a DL available?)

8)That he was, for me though it was really obvious and I saw it coming - as soon as she put them in their place about coming with.

9)If this turns out to NOT be a hint that Sam has in fact been involved in the hunting life in some way then I will be quite annoyed. (I basically whispered this in outrage "You lied! That is totally something you've picked up in the last year!! Retired, my ass!" at my laptop.)

12) I'm probably one of the few or perhaps the only person who responded to the Moose Squirrel comment with "Hey, that's Mulder and Scully! Not them!" I have no idea where those names came from, it's been a while since I dabbled in the X Files fandom.

13) I know that actor! Where is he from? Aside from that: YES! adorable and I may have cried a tiny bit at "Too much heart"

14)HUG, NEED YOU, NOT WITHOUT YOU. *BAWLS* (♥ your meta)

15) Yes, yes thank you please. (this also applies to 19) )

17) Also, saw this coming lol

20) I so want to believe that it's Dean trying to keep hold of him, but then another part of me wants it to be Benny and that you're right about it being him who let go of Cas. He clearly didn't want to actually bring Cas along, and I feel you are right he is there to divide Dean from Cas (probably Sam too once they meet) Even if it's self-preservation, it makes my stomach twist when I think of this "friendship" because it began with a deal of sorts, feels uber manipulated (Dean, that looks a whole lot like torture you were dabbling in as Benny stood back and watched - possibly gloated) and I worry about what happened that brings them to the point we saw in 8.01. So basically, I trust Benny about as far as I can throw him at this point. I can't say I like him, but yes enemy over friend.

AND, if it is Dean and he let go....I don't know what I'll dooooo. How broken are you Dean? What happened? Noooooooo...Ok I need to lock that all down.

Ok, that may or may not have made sense! All the hugs for you, you may be my favourite. I'm gonna go lurk on twitter and smile at the squee ♥
Edited Date: 2012-10-11 01:58 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-10-11 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiptoe39.livejournal.com
3)I sometimes feel like the writers have notes full of terms/insults/catchphrases that have previously been used and pick at random.

I have to say, that's one thing that's really bugged me since S5 and especially in S7. Bobby actually never said "balls" before 6x04. But since it went over well, the writers just turned Bobby into a "Balls"/"idjits" catchphrase spewer in S7, and his death and reappearance as a ghost were not so powerful because the writers just had him repeat those words rather than actually say something profound and emotional. Absolutely one of my biggest nitpicks with the writers. It's lazy, pure and simple.

(Psst, your DCBB is open on a tab, ready to read...will it be on AO3 or a DL available?)

Yup, it's on AO3 -- here you go! (http://archiveofourown.org/works/533680)

If this turns out to NOT be a hint that Sam has in fact been involved in the hunting life in some way then I will be quite annoyed.

Agreed. I think Sam was up to something really major. Maybe trying to develop enough power to kill all the demons/monsters, out of grief at losing Dean. Maybe he's actually more gung-ho about closing Le Gates of Hell than Dean is.

I'm probably one of the few or perhaps the only person who responded to the Moose Squirrel comment with "Hey, that's Mulder and Scully! Not them!" I have no idea where those names came from, it's been a while since I dabbled in the X Files fandom.

Wait, you don't know the origin of Moose and Squirrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE&feature=related)?

Ugh. Show is making us feel things beside boredom again! YAY!

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Date: 2012-10-11 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] picklepegg.livejournal.com
Yes! He really did just become a catchphrase machine. I have numerous issues with the Bobby ghost storyline and that he didn't get to say something really profound is one of them.

I get that catchphrases can be fun, but over use is a thin line. Personally, for me "Son of a bitch" is one of the few which has managed to do it well - although there are moments where it feels inappropriate as it is so often used in both serious and comedic situations - the one thing that saves it is Jensen's delivery. That said...they could perhaps, not use it as frequently, make it more of a moment. IDK, rambling :)

So yes, lazy writers!

Yay! Thanks, I've got into the habit of reading on AO3, the kudos is handy when I fail at comment writing!

He must be - I read and agreed (in my head) with your 8.01 meta re Sam sneaking out and Amelia being awake - I find it hard to believe that he did nothing to find Dean, or kept a "finger to the pulse" of the hunting world. There must be more to it and next week....*fingers crossed*

Oh no, I know who Rocky and Bullwinkle are, but I can't remember how/why I now associate Moose and Squirrel with Mulder and Scully. (I may possibly have a playlist of songs for them named "Moose and Squirrel Love Songs" LOL They are one of my big het OTPs)

\o/ It both feels good and hurts like a bitch. My stomach last night....I thought I was gonna be sick before we got to see Cas and then there were tears and more stomach twisting. UGH!

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Date: 2012-10-15 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mfluder42.livejournal.com
The Moose and Squirrel thing was an online reference to Mulder and Scully that was used as an in-joke in the Season 4 episode, "Never Again".

Mulder and Scully were oft referred to as Moose & Squirrel (due to some supposed similarities to Rocky/Bullwinkle *g*) on the alt.tv.x-files newsgroup. Writers Morgan and Wong incorporated the reference in the episode:

SCULLY: Your contact, while interesting in the context of science fiction, was, at least in my memory, recounting a poorly veiled synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle.

MULDER: Eenie, meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak?

SCULLY: Rocky and Bullwinkle are looking for an upsidasium mine. Boris Badenov alters the road signs which causes them to walk onto a secret military base, where they are picked up by a car with no windows and no door locks, and there are silent explosions from a compound called "Hushaboom."

MULDER: So you’re refusing an assignment based on the adventures of Moose and Squirrel?

:-)

(once a phile, always a phile :-) )

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Date: 2012-10-16 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] picklepegg.livejournal.com
Ah-ha! Thank you!

I do remember that exchange on screen :D

It's been far too long since I had a rewatch of the whole show, I should find the time to do it. Somehow lol

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Date: 2012-10-11 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monteseverus.livejournal.com
This is absolutely correct in all statements!!!!!!!

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Date: 2012-10-11 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiptoe39.livejournal.com
*flails a lot* oh my god though! *hugs you*

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Date: 2012-10-11 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darth-firefly.livejournal.com
So right on so many levels. Why must the writers just egg the slash fans on? It's mean and yet so kind at the same time.

I hate Crowley and I want to see him die. Painfully. Ah well...

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Date: 2012-10-11 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cashay.livejournal.com
I want Alfie as Cas' little brother fic now!

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Date: 2012-10-12 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archiveninja.livejournal.com
Alfie was adorable and I want to smish his face.

I laughed SO HARD at the 5/8 of a virgin thing, such that I now question my niceness as a person.

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Date: 2012-10-12 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiptoe39.livejournal.com
Headcanon: It's baby Alfie from Doctor Who, all grown up.

You do realize that was the "withdrawal" the guy made at the first bit of the episode. I didn't realize that until I saw a gif set. But ewwww.

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Date: 2012-10-15 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mfluder42.livejournal.com
Finally got to watch this last night (yeah, yeah, there were reasons, don't take away my Dean/Cas card yet! *g*) so... and agreeing with all, but adding...

1. I actually found I came away agreeing with Laura Purdom's review, that the balance between humour and drama didn't work as well as it has in other eps - the switchover was kind of jarring in places. And yes, the acting was... not.

2. Life Lesson: Writers, take a clue from reality and make the girl leave the room. Because when you have a secure box and access it to open it, you're given privacy to do it. Yeah, yeah, nitpick. *g*

3. Harkens back to all the Dick stuff in S7. Thank Godstiel Dick is dead.

5. Showing my ignorance... what is "Tiger Mom"? (Though I think I can guess from the context.)

8. Tattoo scene was brilliant. :-)

9. So so agree! Seriously, suddenly saying it backwards - and like that's even easy?! - is something they can do now? Nobody thought of it the last 7 years? They better be going somewhere with this.

11. TOTALLY!

13. I about squeed (though I knew it was coming thanks to tumblr). I'm so relieved that not all the angels are dead, and so, so relieved that finally somebody put into words what we've been saying since Season 6 had it that Cas went all dark-side (of sorts). His heart was in the right place. Thank you, Carver!!!!

14. *joins in the mutual flailing*

20. Totally buying into the idea that Benny did *not* want Cas along, and probably played a huge role in how it went down. Because no way would Dean had let him go. No way in fucking hell did Dean let go (without reason).

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Date: 2012-10-15 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiptoe39.livejournal.com
5) "Tiger Mom" is sort of a sterotypical phrase for an overbearing, pushy Asian mom who has lots of pride in her kid and pushes him really hard to do well in school, etc. There was a book that came out last year called "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mom" (or something similar) that was basically a manifesto by this one Chinese mother for how mothers ought to not accept mediocrity from their kids, how they needed to be pushed to achieve and excel. I found it slightly atrocious, but I'm of the type who doesn't mind participation trophies, so that's just me :) Anyway, it's one of those things that I don't think Asian people would mind saying about themselves, but having others say it about them strikes me as offensive.

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